I came across this interesting piece of information recently that Scott Pape put together after speaking with the conman David Schirmer.
Below is the last paragraph of the article linked to above.
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I rang Schirmer on his way home from that radio interview, and asked him about the seminar. 'Last year we attracted 340 people to our seminar, and took $5 million in ticket sales and (back of the room) information products' he said. 'With the help of the Secret we're expecting to more than double the attendance numbers this year'. It appears the Secret's spruikers have perfected another universal law - the law of extraction.
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Let us first just start here with a little math. $5,000,000 divided by 340 attendees is equal to each person spending $14,705.88. My oh my, he seems to have stumbled across 340 of the most generous people that he could find in Melbourne, Australia. I would also make a suggestion here that noone could have spent $14,705.88 at this seminar even if they wanted to!!
So where does this leave Schirmer's statement of making $5,000,000 in one weekend? It leaves it right where most of everything else that spews out of his mouth ends up. On the huge pile of bullshit that he has produced through the constant stream of lies that is his life.
And he wonders why it is all starting to fall apart? "You reap what you sow", comes to mind.
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I saw that article and thought "what a smart arse, I bet that comes back to bite him" and sure enough......
If he made $5million in that weekend why the hell isn't he paying his debts? Like everything that Schirmer says and does, there are absolutely no ethics or truth involved.
How a man who claims to go to church, claims to have a perfect marriage, claims to be a multimillionaire, claims to be the best Trader in Australia, claims to be one of the best motivational speakers of our time.....and can't even pay his bills.....can lie so much and sleep at night is completely beyond all normal comprehension. The guy is so seriously deluded that the only way to protect the public is to lock him up for about 10 years.
I am visualising that happening as are many others also. In fact, I will repeat his smart arse comments and say that I have an absolute knowing that it will happen within the next 12 months.
All the aussies on this forum, I'll give you my details when it happens and you can just send me a 6 pack so we can celebrate together.
think I have reached for my last shred of tolerance with Schirmer. He has now put a link to NUDE PHOTOS OF WOMEN on his blog. Can someone please shut this guy down and tell him to show some respect for other peoples private lives. This is disgusting…..RHONDA PLEASE…..we have had enough. If he chooses to share his private life with the world then he must be prepared to deal with the consequences. I personally find it completely shocking for a man who is supposedly helping people emotionally and teaching people THE SECRET (Some secret he has!). Please, this is the last straw. The man has a very serious emotional problem.
More sexually explicit Schirmer fodder on his blog. You can't half tell what he has been looking at today. What a sick bastard he is. His actions certainly point to his predatory nature. Of what value is that to anyone seeking help from The Secret? Schirmer should be removed immediately.
Schirmer is living in his dreams and thats what he teaches everyone else to do. So the fact that hes now in serious trouble should be no surprise to anyone who knows the guy. lies, lies, lies and more lies. When you feed them to someone long enough you actually begin to believe them yourself.....so he tells people.
Schirmer is a complete liar. What he says and what he does are poles apart and what he tells others to do is not what he does himself. I know because I was one of his victims so I am right behind everyone elsewho has had to suffer the bastards lies and deceit more recently.
I know some people who gave David Schirmer $5000 to invest years ago and despite many tries they have never seen it again so I can believe every word that everyone who is accusing David Schirmer is saying. It seems that $5000 is an attractive figure for David Schirmer. I don't think it's wise for Mr Schirmer to argue the situation given what has surfaced this year. Yet he defiantly and deliberately carries on on the pretence that his intention is to pay people back. If that was so then why is he buying expensive homes, cars, artwork and ridiculously expensive furniture when he knows that he owes people money. Denial won't help his situation in fact it makes him look even more of a fool. I look on with great interest and great concern.
Camp digit brain is on right now. Pity the poor bastards who go to it. They will be so hyped up in lala land that they will have no clue what Schirmer is doing to manipulate them. God help them.
It now looks like Schirmer is holding a, (now don't laugh people he' serious) LIFE OF ABUNDANCE (Hic! Hic!) workshop at Palazzo Versace on the Gold Coast in Australia in March. How the hell can he afford to book that hotel and not pay his bills? Its mow VERY obvious where his priorities are and the authorites are watching VERY closely no doubt. If Schirmer is the epitome of abundant life then I have crap for brains. Just look at the guy, he's overweight, he looks so unfit and unwell, it seems that he has people chasing him everywhere for money, he doesn't appear to have paid back his traders or his investors or his unpaid staff wages. Whoa, the media will have a field day with this one, should be fun to watch. I don't trust the guy, never have and knowing what's out there now I never will. In fact I would like to see him closed down for payback.
I want to know how the hell Schirmer can hold a seminar at Versace when he can't pay his bills in fact I am going to approach the ATO to investigate because it looks like he is deliberately doing things in defiance and despite his promises to those poor people.
David Schirmer will NEVER make the Australia Day Awards, THANK HEAVENS. These Awards are for real people who make real changes not some fake fool who thinks by convincing everyone that they can have everything that they want by stealing from others is an acceptable way to live. Thank God for people who REALLY make a difference and whoever is running this blog THANKYOU.
Looks like David Schirmer conned at least one guy from the US. He's on a marketing trip in the US and to think he had the gall to say that the secret was not a marketing exercise yet he admits it now. What a complete idiot and how the hell can he get there and expect everyone he owes money to to sit back and wait for it? I would be pretty pissed of if I were waiting for my payment and saw that Schirmer was on a trip again. The guy has no ethics that has been proven. I say contact the Tax Office in Australia and report him immediately.
Schirmer does. He follows Dan Kennedys BIG MOUTH BIG MONEY philosophy and plays the I LOVE JESUS card when it suits which does not sit well with a lot of people particularly those in the church.
When you make MONEY the focus of your life it IS the route to all evil. EVERYTHING that David Schirmer does is focused on making money for himself not for anyone else, just himself. If it was not then WHERE is all the proof?
Schirmer is staying in the US in a place for 'MAGICAL GATHERINGS' right where he belongs amongst the kids and the candy. Ah but he's just a number so that won't work. He has to be the center of attention doesn't he - WELL LEAVE YOUR ETHICS IN AUSTRALIA SCHIRMER. You are NOT welcome in the US until you sort your crap out in your home town or someone sorts it out for you.
Who is David Schirmer?
Read....
Just checked ASIC and Schirmers Succeed Magazine Pty Ltd had a company office holder quit in December He sure does know how to piss people off... i.e. don't pay them and go on air saying I'm living in a mansion aren't you jealous, I'm driving my dream car aren't you even more jealous, I'm buying a $250,000 dining room table now you must be really jealous because if you aren't I'm going to keep bragging until you are. What a bunch of negative wankers you all are can't you see how much fun I'm having screwing people over for my lifestyle? What a wanker. Now he'll have to explain to the authorities why he has all of that and HAS NOT PAID HIS BILLS YET. Um yer majeshty you jealous?
Wow I'm just catching up on this guy. Wonder what will happen to him this year if the authorities see that he's done things differently to what he thinks he has? I wouldn't like to be in his shoes right now it doesn't look very good and I don't think I would be giving him any money for anything. There are plenty of other people who sell the stuff he does who don't have this many problems.
I take offense to the fact that David Schirmer publicly trumpets about being a Christian inferring that he can be trusted when one has to question his motives and his ethics.
Schirmer is apparently not in the secret sequel? Rhonda Byrnes is actually smart.
Has this dickhead paid anyone yet, he owes my friends a HUGE amount of money and he's pissing me and many other people off big time. His ego will destroy him very soon.
What I would like to know is if David Schirmer owes all these people and probably loads more by now if these have not been paid, why haven’t the authorities stepped in by now?
This is a very sad case of delusion and greed. What is it that they say “If there is a loophole in a weak law, greed will fill it” and “Whether they are legal or moral crimes, they are still crimes”.
Will be interesting to see the conclusion to this and I certainly hope that Mr Schirmer does not make an appearance in any sequel to the secret. That I would find incredibly offensive.
I found this on the Australia ASIC web site as I am a trader and I have been investigating this guy to see if he is worthy of my hard earned money:
‘When people invest their funds, they place a high degree of trust in the organisation or individual that facilitates the process. As this outcome shows, those who abuse that trust by deliberately misleading their clients, face serious consequences’, Ms Jan Redfern, ASIC’s Executive Director of Enforcement said.
I wonder if Schirmer ever considered the consequences of his actions or if he thought that the people he had deceived would ignore what he was doing and accept his lame excuses? I don't know the guy or his victims, I'm only interested in his material but I'm also only interested in buying from people who come up clean. There has been enough exposed in the media to see that there is a serious problem and the common denominator seems to be David Schirmer himself. I think if the guy had been transparent with his financial dealings he might have exposed the truth about his financial situation. Just a guess or a hunch whatever you might like to call it.
Maybe 2008 will show some serious consequences for Mr Schirmer. We haven't heard of anyone being paid yet so it's probably not happened. I am interested because I went to one of his seminars once but my gut told me to get out of there fast. Something about the way the guy looks at the women all the time and you get the feeling he thinks he's above everyone and probably the law too.
What happened to "WORK LESS, MAKE MORE"? This guy seems to spend more time away than he does home and obviously is stuggling big time. Isn't the secret supposed to make this all go away?
Does anyone on this forum get Schirmers emails? Tonight I got two emails about a teleconference call which was happening in the US but I had to go buy a card to get onto the call. I got one email 10minutes after the call was to start that said that it started in 30minutes and then another one 9.10that said it was starting in 30 minutes when it was in the original email as 7.30. Either they can't get anyone to get on their calls or they are so bloody stupid that they forgot. Maybe both and no matter how many times you try they refuse to take you off their database.
Bob Proctor, former pal of Schirmer, is now officially suing his sorry fat butt.
Go to esearch.fedcourt.gov.au and hit "Search by File Number" link. You then want a case with the prefix "NSD", the sequence number "173" and the year "2008".
"Lifesuccess Productions" LLC is Bob Proctor's outfit.
Yep, Bob's SUING his former good buddies David and Lorna as well as their various eight dozen tax-dodging companies for "Mislead. or deceptive conduct". Hah!
May it be the beginning of the tidal wave....
Hey has anyone on this blog seen the link to the Australian Federal Court case between Bob Proctor and David and Lorna Schirmer. I can't find it but I've heard its public information and on the web. I can't believe the schirmers and I am wondering if David Schirmer has some serious mental problem and I don't mean that in a nasty way, I mean seriously.
I found the following comment on the Personal Intentions forum about David Schirmer:
"Trust me I've seen these types of cases. The person scaming goes into a state of denial and continues to lye cheat and steal, the only way to save them from themselves is to bring them to justice. Then they finalize realize they're wrong doing and are able to "get back to reality' and turn their life in a positive new direction."
I have to say that I think that is what Schirmers problem is. I could be wrong but after almost 12 months of media exposure and the fact that Proctor is now suing Schirmer and his wife and their companies you would hardly think that he's innocent.
Yes we have seen it and how interesting is that. This might be just the beginning for Schirmer and FINALLY those poor people who he has screwed over will get some sort of justice. I have to ask why it took Bob Proctor to take action for anyone to get any sort of justice for what this guy has done?
I can't believe that Schirmer is STILL groaning and blaming other people for what HIS OWN PROBLEMS. How deluded can the guy be? I have seen the documents that people invested with and I know the circumstances surrounding the purchase of the Life Success business and I KNOW that Schirmer has been lying his arse off just to save his face. In my view it was an incredibly greedy grab for cash. I would advise anyone thinking of having anything to do with wealth creation, personal development or trading or any description to stay the hell away from the guy, he is bad news.
Curley that is a very good and a very serious comment. I really do feel that the whole Schirmer and secret thing has been borne out of JEALOUSY AND GREED
Jealous because others were probably doing much better than they were. Greed because the jealousy eats and eats away until it looks like the chances to make money are soon over so as a last ditch effort you create some fanciful investment, take peoples money and set it up so you don't have to give a cent back. Now I don't know the facts but this is an assumption of what might be a possibility in this case. I know Schirmer was big on structures and he is obsessed with money and I know he says in one of his Mind & Money recordings that people will give you money, you just have to ask or something of the sort. One wonders how a person who on one hand claims to be so selfrighteous and godly can on the other hand fleece people for their honestly earnt money and then claim not to owe them a thing. Sorry but it just does not make any reasonable sense to me. Thats not how I believe God meant one to conduct themselve in life. There is nothing harmonious about being deceitful like that, there is nothing good about it, right about it, honest about it, clever about it, commanding of respect, fair about it etc. Someone mentioned the Jezebel spirit somewhere and I really do think that it is was this is all about. I feel David Schirmer has the Jezebel spirit and he has no idea who to rid himself of it because his desire for fame and fortune have eaten up any sensibility or honest ethics he knew. I don't see this ending until David Schirmer comes to terms with what he's done and even then no-one will get anything because from what I can see there is nothing to get, it's all just falsely owned.
Yep, searching the whole Australian Federal Court site for the name “Schirmer” brings up some interesting things. Hopefully more is coming as others make their displeasure known!
Say, I know a game we can play while waiting! Let’s play “connect the dots”!
Dot One: Schirmer, promoting a new “ezine” that apparently hasn’t published since its inaugural edition in January 2008, decides to exploit the sympathy card by mentioning a hitherto private family issue, the death of his brother, Jaime, at the age of 36. Of course we mustn’t fault him for that, for it is a time-honored tradition for self help gurus to mine their spouses, children and other people unfortunate enough to be related to them for amusing, humiliating and/or illustrative purposes. But given all the other crap going on in his life, opening up his family for further scrutiny does not seem to be the wisest choice.
http://www.wealthbychoice.com/ezine/Ezine20080105.html#message
(cosmic connie quotes David’s message extensively, since it looks like the WBC website is soon to be no more: http://cosmicconnie.blogspot.com/2008/01/shameless-schirmer-leaps-into-new-year.html
Dot Two: Here’s an obituary of a “Jaime Lyndon Schirmer”, who died last year in Queensland, Australia, at the age of 36, and has (among several other siblings) a brother named David:
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/AUS-NEWSPAPER-EXTRACTS/2007-05/1179545619
“SCHIRMER, Jaime Lyndon, Late of Cambooya, sadly passed away on Sunday morning on the 29th April, 2007, aged 36 years. Fifth son of Glen and Christina, brother of Ian, Grant, David, Wayne, Elizabeth, and Aaron, and their respective partners, uncle to his many nephews and nieces. Well loved by all He will be sadly missed….”
Dot Three: One of the judgments in the Australian Federal Court’s database (search under “Judgments”) involves the “involuntary treatment order” of a Jaime Lyndon Schirmer for being “highly psychotic and aggressive”. If this is indeed the same Jaime Lyndon Schirmer who died I’d hazard a guess that he was not “well loved by all” the police and mental health authorities he was suing:
http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/cases/qld/QSC/2005/353.html?query=Schirmer
Isn’t the internet interesting?
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